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Notes deleted in the app that stay on the server — how livesync-bridge loses deletions permanently

Environment: two livesync-bridge instances (mini PC, Raspberry Pi) · CouchDB 3.3 on the mini PC · Obsidian Self-hosted LiveSync · Docker

TL;DR

A note you delete in the Obsidian app can stay behind as a file on the server — and once it does, nothing removes it on its own. Anything on the server that still sees the file keeps treating it as a live note, and it can get pushed back up, resurrecting the note.

Two things make that loss permanent. Anything that happens in CouchDB while the bridge is down is never replayed, because the since value it persists is the literal string "now", so every start reopens the changes feed from the present moment. And the offline scan runs filesystem → CouchDB only, so there's no mechanism that could catch a missed deletion after the fact.

  • A missed edit mostly goes unnoticed — the next edit to that note brings the two sides back in line. A missed deletion doesn't. Nothing ever triggers it again, so the ghost file stays forever.
  • So I inverted the rule: notes created and managed by the server, or by a bot running on it, get deleted with rm on the server filesystem rather than in the app. That only holds while the bridge is running — a file removed while it's down is lost the same way, for the reason in root cause 3 below.
  • On top of that, I added a reverse reconciliation cron: for any note marked deleted in CouchDB that still has a file on the server, it backs the file up and removes it.

The symptom: an auto-numbered note skipped a number and duplicated itself

I'm writing this from the operational records kept at the time rather than re-running any of it today, plus the bridge log, which still has the crash sequence in it. Paths in the quoted log lines are shortened. The background for the whole series is in Self-hosted Obsidian instead of Notion.

This vault has a bot that generates one note per video. New notes are named highest number on disk + 1.

The user reported something off: after deleting the video that rings_06 had been generated from and re-uploading it, the new note came out as rings_07 instead of rings_06, and numbering stayed shifted after that. On disk, rings_06.md and rings_07.md turned out to be two notes pointing at the same video.

The misdiagnosis: blaming the bot's numbering

My first theory was the bot. Numbering purely from "max on disk + 1" with no guard against ghost files looks exactly like the kind of thing that produces this.

It was half right. That guard really was missing, and I strengthened it later. But the input was already wrong. The note the user had deleted in the app was still sitting on the server filesystem, and the bot looked at that leftover file and computed the next number perfectly correctly. Fixing the numbering alone would have left the ghost file in place, with the symptom coming back in another form.

So I changed tack and asked why a deleted note still had a file on the server.

The diagnosis: the crash is right there in the log

The log below is from the hub bridge, the one sharing a host with CouchDB. Two things establish that: I pulled it from the container on that machine, and that machine's dat/config.json points its couchdb peer at an address inside the container network — the same host. The [pi-vault] in it is a storage peer name rather than a machine name, and since the config came over unchanged when the hub moved off a Raspberry Pi, both machines now use the same peer names — so the tag alone won't tell you which bridge a line came from.

The bridge logs the direction each change flowed in. A deletion arriving from CouchDB and being applied to the filesystem looks like this:

7/22/2026, 8:44:54 AM	32	[obsidiandb] --> …/videos/rings_06.md delete detected
7/22/2026, 8:44:54 AM	32	[pi-vault] <--  /app/data/vault/…/videos/rings_06.md deleted

That part is fine. A few hours later, this:

1:06:39 PM	32	[obsidiandb] --> …/videos/rings_07.md delete detected
1:06:39 PM	32	[pi-vault] <--  /app/data/vault/…/videos/rings_07.md deleted
1:06:41 PM	16	WATCH: PROCESSING: …/videos/rings_06.md
1:06:41 PM	64	Missing document content!, could not read …/videos/rings_06.md(1_projec) from database.
error: Uncaught (in promise) Error: Corrupted document: …/videos/rings_06.md
            throw new Error(`Corrupted document: ${doc.path}`);
                  ^
    at DirectFileManipulator.getByMeta (file:///app/lib/src/API/DirectFileManipulatorV2.ts:313:19)
Task run deno run -A main.ts
LiveSync Bridge is now starting...

The whole process died and restarted in the middle of processing a run of deletions — killed by an exception nobody caught while trying to read a document whose chunks were missing.

To be clear about what is established and what isn't: the mechanism described below — an exception killing the process, the stored since being "now", the offline scan running one way — comes straight from the code and the stored value. What I could not pin down from the log is which crash window produced the ghost file in this incident: both deletions visible above did make it to the filesystem. That the structure can lose a deletion is settled; the link to this particular incident is circumstantial.

Root cause 1: getByMeta sits outside the try

The shape of the changes handler explains it:

Logger(`WATCH: PROCESSING: ${doc.path}`, LEVEL_VERBOSE, "watch");
const docX = await this.getByMeta(doc);   // ← outside the try
try {
    await callback(docX, change.seq);
    Logger(`WATCH: PROCESS DONE: ${doc.path}`, LEVEL_INFO, "watch");
} catch (ex) {
    Logger(`WATCH: PROCESS FAILED`, LEVEL_INFO, "watch");
}

callback is wrapped. The call that assembles the document just before it isn't. And that call throws whenever a single chunk is missing:

async getByMeta(doc: MetaEntry): Promise<ReadyEntry> {
    const docX = await this.liveSyncLocalDB.getDBEntryFromMeta(doc as LoadedEntry);
    if (!isReadyEntry(docX)) {
        throw new Error(`Corrupted document: ${doc.path}`);
    }
    return docX;
}

Thrown inside an async handler, it becomes an unhandled rejection, and Deno ends the process. One damaged document takes the entire bridge down.

Root cause 2: the persisted since is the literal string "now"

A crash would be survivable if the restart picked up where it left off. It doesn't.

Here's how the bridge decides where to start:

// Fetch remote since.
this.man.since = this.getSetting("since") || "now";

and here it is, saving that value back as it sets up the watch:

this.man.beginWatch(async (entry) => { /* … */ }, (entry) => {
    this.setSetting("since", this.man.since);
    // …
});

Read the names and it looks like a cursor being persisted as it advances. But nothing updates this.man.since during a live watch. Every save writes back the same value the watch started with.

So I went and looked at what's actually stored. The setting lives in Deno's localStorage — a SQLite file inside the container:

'obsidiandb-couchdb--since' = 'now'

The literal string now. The bridge reopens the changes feed from the present moment every time it starts. Three seconds of downtime or three hours, whatever happened in CouchDB during that window is never replayed.

Root cause 3: the offline scan only runs one way

You'd hope self-repair covers this, and scanOfflineChanges is the obvious candidate. It runs in the other direction:

if (this.config.scanOfflineChanges) {
    for await (const entry of walk(lP)) {
        if (entry.isFile) {
            const ePath = this.toPosixPath(relative(this.toLocalPath("."), entry.path));
            if (await this.isChanged(ePath)) {
                await this.dispatch(entry.path);
            }
        }
    }
}

It walks the filesystem and pushes changed files up to CouchDB. "Changed" is determined by comparing against file stats the bridge remembers separately, so a write lost to a crash doesn't always get caught here either (as the earlier post shows, those writes needed the file touched again). Either way, there's no pass that walks CouchDB and brings the filesystem back in line with it. While the live watch is running, deletions do come down (the log above is exactly that); what's missing is anything that revisits what got skipped. Which completes the picture:

  • If what was missed is an edit, it mostly goes unnoticed. Editing that note again pushes or pulls it and the two sides converge.
  • If what was missed is a deletion, nothing ever triggers it again. The file that should be gone is still there, and to the scan it's simply a file that exists. If it ever registers as changed, it can go back up and resurrect the note.

Worth noting how LiveSync represents deletion: not as a CouchDB tombstone (_deleted) but as a live document carrying a deleted: true field. It still looks like this in the database today:

{"_id":"…","path":"…","ctime":…,"mtime":…,"size":16,"type":"plain","deleted":true}

That field is what the janitor below keys on.

Fix 1: invert the direction deletions travel

On the hub server, where CouchDB runs on the same host, PUSH (filesystem → CouchDB) worked in this incident. I removed rings_06.md with rm on the server, and the bridge picked it up and updated the CouchDB document to the deleted state: rev 11 went to rev 12 as deleted, and the note did not come back. That's a single observation, though, not a proof of reliability.

So the rule became:

Delete server- or bot-managed notes on the server filesystem, not in the app — and check that the bridge is running first.

That second clause matters. As root cause 3 shows, the offline scan only walks files that exist. A file removed while the bridge is down leaves nothing for the scan to look at, so the deletion never reaches CouchDB even after a restart. Getting the direction right isn't enough; the timing is part of the rule.

The inversion is literal: the operations note had the exact opposite written down, and I had told the user to delete in the app on the strength of that old sentence. That was before I knew the two directions aren't equally reliable.

Fix 2: a reverse reconciliation cron (the janitor)

A rule isn't enough — people will keep deleting notes in the app. So I added a cron in the same spirit as the heartbeat watchdog, handling exactly one case: marked deleted in CouchDB, file still present on the server.

The decision looks like this:

for r in rows:
    doc = r.get("doc") or {}
    if not (doc.get("deleted") or doc.get("_deleted")):
        continue
    path = doc.get("path")
    if not path or not path.endswith(".md"):   # notes only; skip chunks (h:*) etc.
        continue
    fp = os.path.join(VAULT, path)
    if not os.path.isfile(fp):                 # already gone = nothing to do
        continue
    if int(os.path.getmtime(fp) * 1000) > int(doc.get("mtime") or 0) + GRACE_MS:
        skipped.append(path)                   # file is newer — looks recreated, leave it
    else:
        to_del.append((path, fp))

Four safeguards:

  1. Only documents in the deleted state are ever considered. Nothing else gets touched.
  2. Skip if the file is more than five minutes newer than the deletion. Something deleted and then deliberately recreated must not be deleted again by the janitor.
  3. Copy to a backup directory before removing.
  4. A cap of 25 per run. Over the cap it deletes nothing and just sends the list. Automated deletion running away is the scariest failure mode here by far.

Two crons: the bot's note folder every ten minutes, the whole vault once a day.

*/10 * * * * /path/to/scripts/reconcile-vault-deletions.py videos >> /path/to/reconcile.log
50 3   * * * /path/to/scripts/reconcile-vault-deletions.py all    >> /path/to/reconcile.log

One trap. If your CouchDB credentials live in the container's environment, the URL you hand to docker exec … sh -c has to be in double quotes:

'curl -s "http://$COUCHDB_USER:$COUCHDB_PASSWORD@127.0.0.1:5984/obsidiandb/%s"' % qs

What matters is the quoting around the URL inside the string handed to sh -c. Wrap the URL in ' and the container shell passes $COUCHDB_USER through as a literal, the request comes back unauthorized, the response has no rows — and zero rows reads as "nothing to reconcile" and passes silently. It has to be " for the variables to expand inside the container. Broken while looking healthy is the worst category of broken.

And one more. CouchDB's _id here is a lowercased path. Match files using the document's path field, not _id, or the case won't line up.

Verification — and what I could not verify

Here's the record so far. The script logs in Korean; 변화 없음 (삭제0, 스킵0) is "no change (0 deleted, 0 skipped)".

[2026-07-23 17:20:01] (videos) 변화 없음 (삭제0, 스킵0)
…
[2026-08-11 03:50:01] (all)    변화 없음 (삭제0, 스킵0)

2,675 runs over 18 days. Zero deletions, zero skips. The backup directory hasn't even been created yet.

How to read that is genuinely ambiguous. What's established is that it has never removed a live note. But zero deletions also means the deletion branch has never run — the mtime grace period, the cap of 25 and the backup copy have not fired once in production. And it has never caught a real drift. I did exercise it against a separate throwaway vault at install time, with ghost files, recreated files and live notes, and it behaved correctly on all three. But in production it's less a proven safety net than an alarm that hasn't gone off yet.

In the same period I separately fixed one of the crashes that was killing the bridge, so that may be why it has been quiet. That's a guess, though, and the structure that loses deletions — since: "now" plus a one-way scan — is still exactly where it was.

For context, headless filesystem sync is unsettled territory in this ecosystem. A headless client that syncs a CouchDB vault to a filesystem isn't part of the plugin — it's still an open feature request (#815) as of August 2026. livesync-bridge, the tool this whole series runs on, is a separate project by the same author. obsidian-livesync-headless fills the same gap a different way. There is no standard answer right now, which is why I chose a self-heal janitor over ripping the stack out.

Takeaways / checklist

  • Check what a "cursor" variable actually stores. Here a variable named since held the literal "now", and the code that saved it faithfully rewrote the same value every time. You'll never catch it by reading the names.
  • Deletions are a different class of event from edits. A missed edit gets overwritten by the next edit; a missed deletion never happens again on its own. Sync designs need to reason about deletion separately.
  • Check which direction your self-repair scan runs. A one-way scan can't fix losses in the other direction, and may push the damaged state up as the source of truth.
  • A symptom at the end of a pipeline usually starts earlier. The numbering had a real weakness, but fixing only the numbering would have left the ghost file exactly where it was.
  • Put a cap and a backup on anything that deletes automatically. "Over the limit, needs a human" is a much better message to get than the news of a runaway delete.